The Problem of Evil: Crash Course Philosophy #13

The Problem of Evil: Crash Course Philosophy #13


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by Squarespace Squarespace: share your passion with the world. Why is the sky blue? Which came first: orange the color or orange
the fruit? And why is C3PO afraid of everything? Like, who decided it was a good idea to teach a droid to experience fear? There are some questions that we ask ourselves,
either as kids, or adults, or both. They’re questions about weird, everyday
things, and they’re weird because most of us don’t know the answers to them offhand. But most of the time, those questions turn
out to be pretty answerable. Like, for the ones I just mentioned, the short
answers are: Because of the way photons interact with the
molecules in the atmosphere. …the fruit;
And…uh…’cause that’s what George Lucas wanted. Maybe because 3PO’s a protocol droid, and
they need to be able to relate to humans. Though, he could stand to turn his fear settings
down a notch. Now, as you know, philosophers have a soft
spot for questions that can never be answered. Most of the time, these puzzles make for great thought experiments – tests of our skills in logic and argument. But there are some questions whose very lack
of an answer can be downright troubling. Unlike the occasional fluke of physics or bit of Star Wars trivia, there’s a part of us that really wants, or even needs to have an answer to these things. For the past month or so, we’ve been exploring
the philosophy of religion, and we’ve been doing it mainly from a theistic perspective, looking into arguments that justify belief in God. But one of the most persistent challenges to god’s existence is also the root of one of the most-asked, but least answerable, questions that we, as
thinking beings, face. Why is there evil? [Theme Music] Evil comes in many forms. And likewise, for philosophers, poses many problems, especially vis a vis the existence of god. First, there’s what’s known as the logical
problem of evil. Like all rational people, theists can’t help but acknowledge that the world is full of evil. And here, we’re understanding “evil” to be all manner of bad stuff – like, not just Hitler or Darth Vader or Moriarty. It’s everything that’s in the vast spectrum of badness, from stubbed toes to plagues and everything in between. Theists and atheists both agree that evil exists in this way. But they disagree about the next part. Many theists believe in an omniscient, omnipotent,
omnibenevolent God. But atheists argue that this creates a contradiction – a set of beliefs that can’t all be true at the same time. Because, evil is bad, right – whether it’s stubbed toes or genocide or paper cuts or epidemics? So, if there’s really an all-knowing God
out there, he knows about all the evil. He might even know about it before it happens. And if he’s all-powerful, he could stop
it. And if he’s all-good, then he would want
to stop it. And yet he doesn’t. The evil continues. Philosophically rational people shouldn’t
hold inconsistent beliefs, so atheists argue that you’re going to have to give something up – and the thing to give up is God. Some theists, however, take a different route.
They choose to give up one or more divine attributes. They argue that maybe God isn’t powerful
enough to stop evil, or maybe he’s not knowledgeable enough to
know about it, or maybe he’s not even good enough to care
about stopping it. That might sound weird to some of you, but if you’ve ever heard someone say that
God is envious, or petty, or jealous, that’s basically what they’re doing – they’re acknowledging the possibility that
God is not actually good. If you’ve ever checked out the Old Testament, there is a God there who has some anger issues – one who’s not at all opposed to wiping out entire populations just because of some bad behavior. Still, despite this scriptural evidence, many
theists are committed to God’s omni-attributes, and are thus stuck with a problem. They
have to resolve the logical problem of evil and find some way to explain why God would
allow evil into the world. And if you can do that, then you are presenting
what is known as a theodicy. A theodicy is an attempt to show that the existence of evil doesn’t rule out the possibility of God’s existence. Yes, this is such a big deal that there’s
a word for it. And the most popular theodicy is called The
Free Will Defense. This argument holds that God maximized the
goodness in the world by creating free beings. And being free means that we have the choice to do evil things – a choice that some of us exercise. This theodicy says that God doesn’t create evil, but evil can’t be avoided without depriving us of our freedom. And a world without freedom would be a worse
place overall. This explanation preserves God’s goodness,
because he created the best possible world, and also preserves his omnipotence and omniscience,
because, although he does know about evil and could stop it, he has a good reason not to – to ensure our freedom. The problem is, the free will defense really only really addresses what’s known as moral evil – or the evil committed, on purpose, by humans. Now, we’re certainly responsible for a lot of bad stuff, but you can’t blame us for everything. We can’t be held responsible for the fact
that the plates of the earth sometimes shift, causing destructive earthquakes, or that a storm might knock a tree over that falls onto someone’s house. This type of evil – the stuff we’re not
responsible for – is called natural evil, and the free will defense can’t resolve
natural evil. Religion is one of those philosophical issues that can make it hard for us to consider anything objectively. That’s where fiction comes in handy because
fictional stories can let us see how hypothetical people deal with hypothetical situations. And with that in mind, let’s go to the Thought
Bubble for some Flash Philosophy! Let’s consider the case of Ivan, a good
Russian who decides to break up with God. In the novel The Brothers Karamozov, 19th century Russian writer Fyodor Dostoevsky presents us with Ivan, a man who claims to believe in God. But Ivan finds the fact that God allows evil
to exist to be so unforgivable, that he decides worshipping such a god would
be, just, unconscionable. Ivan goes so far as to declare that he is
“returning his ticket” to heaven. If the same God who allows evil – particularly
the suffering and death of children – is also saving a cozy place in paradise for
Ivan, well, Ivan wants nothing to do with it. So, his way out of the problem of evil is
to deny God’s goodness, and to conclude that a bad God is not only
unworthy of his worship, he’s also not someone Ivan wants to spend
eternity with. It’s like the ultimate un-friending. Now, some readers have found Ivan’s decision
to be noble, and full of integrity. After all, if you really think God is letting all of this bad stuff happen, why would you want to be on his team? But other people think Ivan is being irrational – why condemn yourself to eternity in hell on principle? For theists, it’s another question that
doesn’t have an easy answer. Thanks, Thought Bubble! Now, unlike Ivan, a lot of people aren’t willing to give up their ticket to heaven. So they need to work on a way to keeping believing in, and worshipping, God, even though evil is still a thing. One way to do that, is to argue that good
can’t exist without its opposite. The idea here is that you can’t understand
the concept of pleasure without pain. We don’t know what it feels like to be warm
if we haven’t been cold. We can’t understand the goodness of filling
our bellies if we’ve never been hungry. But there’s also another way, though it
involves a little more work on your part. 20th century English philosopher of religion John Hick offered what’s known as the soul-making theodicy. Unlike the traditional view that God created
a perfect world, which we ruined through our own poor choices, Hick argued that God deliberately creates us “unfinished,” and our earthly lives are designed to toughen
us up, in a sense, kinda like boot camp. The harshness of life, Hick said, gives us
a robust texture and character that wouldn’t be possible without an imperfect world. Hick said that we’re not just God’s little
pets, and he’s not our benevolent owner, whose sole job is to keep us in a safe, comfortable
environment. Instead, he wants to build us, to train us,
into a particular kind of being. So we need an environment that’s suited
to the sort of growth that he wants – the sort that this world makes possible. A lot of people find these and other theodicies
to be pretty compelling. However, the problem of evil actually goes
a step deeper. What we’ve been talking about so far is
the logical problem of evil. This problem can be resolved, if we can explain
why there’s evil. But there’s also the evidential problem
of evil. This problem points out that we might be able
to explain why evil exists, but we still can’t explain why there’s
so much evil in the world. For instance, let’s say that it’s true that we really do need evil in order to understand goodness. In that case, why can’t we understand the
contrast through some sort of low-level evil – like paper cuts and head colds and having to work straight through our lunch hour every now and then? I mean, slow, painful deaths from cancer,
and city-destroying hurricanes… they don’t really add anything valuable
to our understanding of goodness. Do they? If God were truly good, and if a negative
contrast were really needed in order for us to understand the goodness of the world, then
why wouldn’t he give us just the very minimum dosage of necessary to achieve that goal? A counterargument might suggest that there’s always a good that corresponds to, and is proportionate to, any evil. But empirically, such goodness is really hard
to find. What good, for example, could possibly correspond
to the horrors of a genocide? In cases like this, Hick’s soul-making doesn’t
seem to cut it. You can’t really argue that “whatever
doesn’t kill us makes us stronger,” because, sometimes, evil does kill us. A lot of us. And sometimes it kills us before we have a chance to grow and learn from the suffering we’ve endured. Despite these and other philosophical sticking points, a lot of people have found a theodicy that satisfies them – one that they believe reconciles the apparent
evil in the world with God’s existence. Others find all of these theodicies to be
flawed, and they reject God’s omni-nature, preserving their belief in God by finding him to be less than perfectly powerful, or knowledgeable, or good. Still others are convinced that the evil in the world is simply incompatible with the existence of a god, or at least any god worth worshipping. Wherever you end up, this is a problem that
needs to be grappled with. And you’ll probably be thinking about it
long after this lesson has ended. After all, today we have considered the biggest
problem in theism – the problem of evil. We’ve thought about different theodicies
– or ways that we might reconcile the existence of evil and the existence of god, and we’ve explored whether those responses
are sufficient. Next time, we’ll consider what kinds of justification we need to have for our religious beliefs. This episode of Crash Course Philosophy is
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100 thoughts on “The Problem of Evil: Crash Course Philosophy #13

  • Wait a minute. "If He is all good, then he would want to stop it…."? Says who? A mere mortal posing as a philosopher? The existence of evil is the result of the existence of good. Darkness and shadows exist ONLY in the absence of light. If darkness and shadows were removed, then the light would not have a contrasting antithesis in order to discern the light and its existence. If there were no shadows when passing your hand around a light source, how would that set with your senses for reality? What purpose would a light source serve if there were not darkness and shadow?

    Likewise, the contrast between good and evil is what gives us an understanding of the distinction between the two. God's being good does NOT lead to any requirement for Him to eradicate the evil. They never seem to consider that the presence of evil serves a divine purpose in this world. Evil will continue to exist throughout all eternity because of the existence of good. Removing evil from the world would nullify good, which would leave us with a vacuum with which there is no experience. To say that such a vacuum would be desirable is a claim rooted in sophistic philosophy that leads nowhere.

    Bottom line: The biggest problem with people is that most want a god who conforms to their own personal whims and desires. Having a Sovereign God means that He is not subject to their thinking and demands for morality and ethics. That is the crux of the problem behind the questions for evil. They want a moral vacuum that would take from them their freedom, which is an existence none of us has ever experienced in order to know for sure that it's something we don't want. The presence of evil is far more desirable than its absence. If they would consider this, then perhaps their vantage point would change somewhat.

  • The blunders in this guy's narrative are quite striking. God wiping out cultures wasn't only because of "…some bad things…" Those people were sacrificing their own children on the red hot arms of an idol, beating the drums louder so the parent's couldn't hear the tortured screams of their own children they gave up for sacrifice to appease a non-existent god. Why would any individual, unless they are pure evil themselves, want to perpetuate the existence of a nation that did such, only to ensure those kinds of sacrifices would continue? The irrationality of such arguments are, like I said, striking, to say the least.

  • Oh, this guy is so wrong. The antithesis to genocide does indeed exist. It's a nation that builds up others and grows in gracious giving and benevolence toward others, which is almost completely unfounded in most historic, pagan nations. This guy clearly does not discern his own subjectivity, thus naturally failing to develop his system of impossible opposites. This is the problem with ALL subjectivity. It always runs off into extremes from which there is no recovery nor answers. People like this guy gravitate toward that unfathomable vacuum that cannot exist in this world or this universe as they are, so they have to try and remake this universe and world into some sort of utopian dream that simply will never work with the laws of physics are they are right now. This guy and others like him lack the power to remake this universe into something where that vacuum would work. Total light simply does not exist in this universe, although total darkness can and will if the universe as a whole were to eventually sink down into what the Second Law of Thermodynamics points toward, which is a heat death. Once the energy is totally dispersed throughout the universe, there will be no light, no heat, and no life.

  • Your argument is flawed. You assume that Good and Evil is whatever we as humans decide it is. There is no evidence to support that mainstream concepts of "good" and "evil", are in fact, truly that.

  • THE FACT THE AVIDENCE OF REALITY IS TURUTH AND IF PERSON TELL THAT HE IS GOOD AND HE HAD PROVEN THAT HE IS REAL OR NOT GOOD. THE OPPOSITE WORD OF TRUTH IS LIE. LIE IS COMMON FOUND IN EVIL AND BAD BEHAVIORS PROMISES.
    THE FAITH HAS PROMISES.
    I BELIEVE IN PROMISES OF ALLAH BECAUSE THE REALITY IS NOT CHANGE FROM HUMAN AND PROMISE OF ALLAH IS NOT LIE.
    ALLAH IS MADE FROM NOOR AND NABI THE LORD OF UNIVERSE IS MADE FROM ALLAH NOOR AND HIS FAMILY IS MADE FROM ALLAH NOOR. THE FAMILY MEAN CONECTION OF BLOOD AS DAUGHTER AND DAUGHTER HUSBAND AND DAUGHTER CHILDREN.
    NABI THE LORD OF UNIVERSE IS MADE FROM ALLAH NOOR AND HIS FAMILY IS MADE FROM ALLAH NOOR IS OWNER OF ALLAH WORDS.
    NABI THE LORD OF UNIVERSE IS MADE FROM ALLAH NOOR AND HIS FAMILY IS MADE FROM ALLAH NOOR IS OWNER OF ALLAH PROMISE.
    NABI THE LORD OF UNIVERSE IS MADE FROM ALLAH NOOR AND HIS FAMILY IS MADE FROM ALLAH NOOR IS OWNER OF EVERY THING, UNIVERSE, ISLAM, JANAT, QURAN, NAMAZ, KABA, KHYBER, FADAK.
    NABI THE LORD OF UNIVERSE IS MADE FROM ALLAH NOOR AND HIS FAMILY IS MADE FROM ALLAH NOOR HAS POWER OF ALLAH.
    ALLAH POWER IS NABI THE LORD OF UNIVERSE IS MADE FROM ALLAH NOOR AND HIS FAMILY IS MADE FROM ALLAH NOOR.
    NABI THE LORD OF UNIVERSE IS MADE FROM ALLAH NOOR AND HIS FAMILY IS MADE FROM ALLAH NOOR IS MANIFEST OF ALLAH.
    NABI THE LORD OF UNIVERSE IS MADE FROM ALLAH NOOR AND HIS FAMILY IS MADE FROM ALLAH NOOR IS NEVER THINK, NEVER SLEEP, NEVER DIE AND NOT NEED FOOD TO EAT.
    NABI THE LORD OF UNIVERSE IS MADE FROM ALLAH NOOR AND HIS FAMILY IS MADE FROM ALLAH NOOR NAME IN QURAN.
    QURAN IS WORLDS OF ALLAH AND QURAN IS NOT MAKE FROM NOOR.
    NABI THE OWNER OF BIG EID AND HIS SON IS NABI THE OWNER OF BIG EID MAKE KABA. KABA IS NOT MAKE FROM NOOR.
    ALLAH IS MADE FROM NOOR AND ALLAH HAD ENIMIES THAT CANOT DEFEAT AND KILL ALLAH AND ALLAH NOT NEED TERITORY FOR ISLAM.
    ALLAH IS AGREED THEN razitala anho because razitala anho are not owner of ISLAM, JANAT, QURAN, NAMAZ, KABA, KHYBER, FADAK, UNIVERSE AND EVERYTHING.

  • just imagine there is a zombie Apocalypse and you have a son.

    now your son gets bitten on the leg and the only way to stop the virus from spreading is to chop off his leg which causes pain. but his son is confused how could his father do that. should he start hating his father now.? turns out his knowledge was limited and he didnt know the greater good. and that's why I believe in. God knows what we dont know

  • THE FACT THE AVIDENCE OF REALITY IS TURUTH AND IF PERSON TELL THAT HE IS GOOD AND HE HAD PROVEN THAT HE IS REAL OR NOT GOOD. THE OPPOSITE WORD OF TRUTH IS LIE. LIE IS COMMON FOUND IN EVIL AND BAD BEHAVIORS PROMISES.
    THE FAITH HAS PROMISES.
    I BELIEVE IN PROMISES OF ALLAH BECAUSE THE REALITY IS NOT CHANGE FROM HUMAN AND PROMISE OF ALLAH IS NOT LIE.
    ALLAH IS MADE FROM NOOR AND NABI THE LORD OF UNIVERSE IS MADE FROM ALLAH NOOR AND HIS FAMILY IS MADE FROM ALLAH NOOR. THE FAMILY MEAN CONECTION OF BLOOD AS DAUGHTER AND DAUGHTER HUSBAND AND DAUGHTER CHILDREN.
    NABI THE LORD OF UNIVERSE IS MADE FROM ALLAH NOOR AND HIS FAMILY IS MADE FROM ALLAH NOOR IS OWNER OF ALLAH WORDS.
    NABI THE LORD OF UNIVERSE IS MADE FROM ALLAH NOOR AND HIS FAMILY IS MADE FROM ALLAH NOOR IS OWNER OF ALLAH PROMISE.
    NABI THE LORD OF UNIVERSE IS MADE FROM ALLAH NOOR AND HIS FAMILY IS MADE FROM ALLAH NOOR IS OWNER OF EVERY THING, UNIVERSE, ISLAM, JANAT, QURAN, NAMAZ, KABA, KHYBER, FADAK.
    NABI THE LORD OF UNIVERSE IS MADE FROM ALLAH NOOR AND HIS FAMILY IS MADE FROM ALLAH NOOR HAS POWER OF ALLAH.
    ALLAH POWER IS NABI THE LORD OF UNIVERSE IS MADE FROM ALLAH NOOR AND HIS FAMILY IS MADE FROM ALLAH NOOR.
    NABI THE LORD OF UNIVERSE IS MADE FROM ALLAH NOOR AND HIS FAMILY IS MADE FROM ALLAH NOOR IS MANIFEST OF ALLAH.
    NABI THE LORD OF UNIVERSE IS MADE FROM ALLAH NOOR AND HIS FAMILY IS MADE FROM ALLAH NOOR IS NEVER THINK, NEVER SLEEP, NEVER DIE AND NOT NEED FOOD TO EAT.
    NABI THE LORD OF UNIVERSE IS MADE FROM ALLAH NOOR AND HIS FAMILY IS MADE FROM ALLAH NOOR NAME IN QURAN.
    QURAN IS WORLDS OF ALLAH AND QURAN IS NOT MAKE FROM NOOR.
    NABI THE OWNER OF BIG EID AND HIS SON IS NABI THE OWNER OF BIG EID MAKE KABA. KABA IS NOT MAKE FROM NOOR.
    ALLAH IS MADE FROM NOOR AND ALLAH HAD ENIMIES THAT CANOT DEFEAT AND KILL ALLAH AND ALLAH NOT NEED TERITORY FOR ISLAM.
    ALLAH IS AGREED THEN razitala anho because razitala anho are not owner of ISLAM, JANAT, QURAN, NAMAZ, KABA, KHYBER, FADAK, UNIVERSE AND EVERYTHING.

  • 1:29, why is there evil:

    Blame good people for creating monsters by accident.

    Example: Cain and Abel. Good people makes bad people jealous to cause a single seed to spread bad fruits.

  • Evil exits because there must be polarity. This entire dimension is based on the “cross symbol, which is nothing more than the depiction of polarity. Up down left right. As above so below. Without the villain there exists no hero. Evil is nothing more than a subjective circumstance. It’s only deemed evil in respect to what could be deemed “good”. Truthfully, there is no such thing as evil, as there is no such thing as good. There are only actions and our judgments of said actions.

  • if you define good, then you define evil. just like if you define whats north on a compass, then you defined what south is. you can't have one without the other, thats why evil exists. thats my humble two cents tho

  • Evil and good are anthropomorphic concepts of a very limited individual perspective. We have fashioned everything from the perspective of our survival .

  • Who sets the rules and defines the outer limits of good and evil?
    Likewise Morale; Words and meanings constructed by humans….and not for humans…

  • Wouldn't True Evil, if it is Truely Pure Evilness pretent to be Pure Good aka. God, just to trick us in to our enslavement?
    Some say "walk in to the light when you die", but I ask; "what's if it's an evil trick?"

  • You're wrong about the example of a tree falling on someone and killing them. Religion (modern) would see that as tragedy and not "natural evil"… whatever that is.

  • another problem with the free will one is that if god is omnipresent and all knowing, wouldn't he know the future? Since he does, then god knows evil will take place, but does nothing to stop it. He would know the outcomes of our choices, so isn't free will a delusion at this point? Since everything is prescribed to happen as god knows what decisions we will make?

  • Evil isn't good or bad. The choice to do evil, or to choose to do nothing faced with evil, is evil. Morality is in the choices we make… A dead baby is a fact of life sometimes. Not good. Not evil. Killing a baby intentionally is evil. Not helping a baby survive when you can is evil, but there isn't any function of good and evil outside choice.
    Also, death is as apart of life as night is apart of a 24hr day. We fear it and might label it as evil, but that's only because we know nothing of it. Similarly, being able to perceive more of the day than the night, we're often afraid of the night, and consider it evil compared to day light hours.

  • Can someone bring an argument to this : "bad" is whatever destroys a human ( as total of soul and body) or leaves him stagnat . "Good" is whatever makes him better both physically and mentally

  • The islamic philosophy makes a really good point becuase its says our world doesnt have only evil, its full of it and why you'll ask becuase thats how ppl gets tested by bieng harmed and expierencing evil as much as they will be patient for it. And the result is heaven or a better living and then going to heaven in the afterlife

  • I personally think that God allows evil as a test for those who follow Him. And if God was to wipe out evil He would be forcing us to be a specific way. As we all know forced behavior is slavery, and slavery in itself is evil. To say that God is not good, powerful, or knowledgeable enough to stop evil is absurd, I am however open to opinions and discussion. (I remain firm in my beliefs.)

  • I would like to add something to my previous post. The natural disasters mentioned, (plague and earthquakes for example), are not inherently evil because starvation would achieve the same thing and without these natural disasters the world would be over populated and have this instead. so it evens out.

  • Actually, God created devil, so people had someone to blame on becouse of the crimes that in reality was made by god

  • I started watching these videos because of the netflix serie 'the good place'. I'm already religious but it's interesting to watch these things

  • Literally the biggest load of bull I have ever heard and I decided to watch this video knowing I would hear bull but not to this degree. The dismissal of the Free Will Defense is obvious and extremely vulgar, NOT because he played both sides of the argument but because he never addressed the inherent problems of the natural evil argument. Christianity combats the natural evil argument with the philosophy of entropy, the butterfly effect, and what I call the Eden crossover.

    On a side note, a god is not the God if he can not be the omni-attributes all at the same time. For he is not infinite in respects then he can be eventually understood by man and thus surpassed and he loses what made him divine to begin with.

  • I reject your free will argument used to preserve the attributes of god, because if you are god you can give someone a set of moral choices without giving kindergarteners a 38 and telling them not to shoot anyone. When you pick out a gray sweater you exercise free will. No death is necessary for this arbitrary decision

  • I mean. I've been told it's because God created man and man created sin and because sin is a work of man, God cannot get rid of it. He didn't create sin, therefore, he has nothing to do with it.

  • There is a Theodicy that wasn’t touched on in the video that’s very significant to Christian faith. That’s Augustine’s theodicy.

    It confirms God as all good, all knowing, and all powerful, but still acknowledges the presence of evil. His explanation? Evil is not created by God, it is a corruption of good made by humans. Much like how Adam and Eve ate the apple because they loved themselves more than they loved God (which is pure love in a Christian standpoint), Adam and Eve’s love was corrupted good. He also acknowledges the theodicy that we can’t have good without bad and that true love of God is achieved easily through tribulation.

    Also for people saying “Evil doesn’t exist, it’s just a label” you do know this is a philosophy video, right? Exploring hypotheticals is kinda necessary to be into philosophy.

  • I agree with another comment that natural disasters and plagues are not inherently evil, but that they are instead the negative consequences of the evil acts in the past that mankind has chosen to pursue. For instance, the Spanish Flu that killed millions around the world at the end of World War I was a result of the fast troop deployments and movements that occurred to a variety of battlefield arenas that mingled millions of foreign soldiers with no natural immunities to one another and also exposed them to indigenous diseases prevalent in those regions at a time when many vaccines simply did not exist.

  • free will defense if garbage. It begs the question of the existence of free will. before free will defense can be argued , the existence of free will must be proven instead of assumed as true as a premise.

  • Can there be evil in the dream you had last night? If all of this waking world is nothing but a dream experience then does evil just become inconsequential? There’s nothing really happening.

  • If evil exists to somehow make people better, what are we being made better FOR? Boot camp isn't just to make people stronger, it's to make them better soldiers for the war that follows, so just what is God preparing us for? And anyway, why can't God just make better people in the first place?Since all people are not Hitlers, God is clearly not letting people be created that are as bad as they could possibly be, so since He's obviously working by degrees, why do they have to be this bad?

    Of all the attributes the one that seems undeniably false is omni-benevolence. Why do so many people worship a mean God?

  • I agree with ivan dude yet I am baptized just in case lmao! But naw seriously what if we all just refused to play in God And satan's petty lil game..drop em both and go on n life not worrying about what happens to us once we're dead. I mean y fret over what we can't control. Were u worried before being born, do u even remember where u were before birth..whose to say we weren't already in hell initially!

  • Wherever your journey takes you in life as you grapple with this problem, just keep this in mind; denying God doesn't suddenly make the problem of evil go away. You've just nixed a possible answer for it.

  • Pamalogists say evil does not exist and ALSO exists for Perfection to include every opportunity for goodness in as many Universes, dimensions, simulations, dreams, relationships and sequences as it takes for all possible and impossible good things to always have occured. It allows evil to be a contradiction like an imaginary number, both real and not real as Perfection accomplishes the impossible.

  • 6:52 might be misleading in that some may understand this to mean God is not benevolent. In order to maintain this as a theodicy, I think this is where first order and second order good and evil should come in. A first order evil is allowed to bring about a better second order good (of us being “refined”)
    But as Mackie claims, this does not solve the problem…

  • And We will surely test you with something of fear and hunger and a loss of wealth and lives and fruits, but give good tidings to the patient. Quran 2:155

  • How is paper cut evil? Why people think the life they are living needs to be paradise where this no pain or suffering. Pain is temporary, it doesn’t last forever.

  • The argument that evil was added to our universe so that we have free-will makes no sense. First off, you have to have evil in you for you to act on that evil. If you have no evil in you, why would you commit evil? Therefore how is that free-will? If I am a straight man (instead of being bisexual) how can you say to me, "oh, you have a choice to have sex with women or men." Well no I don't, because I'm straight. Therefore, the more powerful the evil inside of you, the more that the evil manipulates you to go in it's direction, so how is that a choice?

    Evil doesn't seem to GRANT free will, it seems to destroy free-will and goodness. For example, let's say I'm evil. I grab my pistol and end up raping and killing your daughter. Well your daughters free-will was taken by me! Is it not absurd? And the person who is evil is manipulated (possessed) by his evil, as if he has a mental disorder that is in control of him. He doesn't choose evil, evil controls him, so how is that free will? Conversely, if he was free from that evil, he would genuinely be free since nothing is torturing him and manipulating him into wrong.

  • I think evil is when a human brain sends chemicals that make them feel bad and then using empathy input those feelings that they too feel to understand pain creating evil as a thing our empathy of felling pain and reducing the pain by making rules that stop other things from doing things thar give pain or bad feelings l. This can also be perspective a human with chemicals of feeling may see eugenics as cruel knowing that the people being killed off also feels pain while an alien with a different working break without the same views as us might just see it as a humanmade artificial selection so I don't think good and evil is universal but rather a perspective and individual idea

  • Assuming we are built in the image of god, and knowing that humans are imperfect… What does that say about God? He's not perfect.

  • The answer to the question is found in Genesis 1-3. When God created everything it was very good. Man did have a choice but decided that he wanted evil and chose to ignore the goodness of God by turning from that good through his rebellion against God (good). The result is that the earth is cursed. Hence natural disasters. But man also is separated from God and must endure pain and death. This is all reconciled through what Jesus did to cut a long story very short. This is a satisfying logical answer to the question. Most people are not aware of the true theological answer to the problem of evil but it does exist.

  • what language are you guys speaking. we move in motion due to the words we utter. we are bits of tiny particles put together so who are you really? you're pretty much the universe itself with unlimited intelligence. You just have to be a savage.

  • we have been given free will to choose good or evil
    and there is satan who is leading us to evil, satan , who didnt want to be in a lower state than humans and got permission from God to lead humans astray because satan thinks humans are not the perfect creations of God.
    God presented us evil to test us if we will to good or be lead astray by satan

  • We are basically trying desperately to cling to anything that ensures an existence after death to save us from the feeling of desolate despair upon realisation that-
    We are basically carbon compounds doomed with a heightened sense of self awareness and stranded on a piece of silicon plate floating on molten metals. There is nothing after death. We die, and that's the end of the time for us. Everything is over as our protein structure is decomposed back into the sand.

    It's too harsh a truth, hence we created God, a delusion for the weak to provide us with a sense of belongingness, security and meaning.

  • The reality is really simple once you take your preconceived notions of what evil is out of your consciousness. Everything we do and know is a direct result of the experiences and ideologies that have been conditioned upon us since birth. Nothing is good or evil, it's all internal perspective. For example, in the US, we look at most middle East Islamic extremists as pure evil. However, they themselves only feel they are doing good based on the conditions and experiences they have encountered their whole lives. If they can live everyday truly believing they are doing the work of their God and it's good but to us it's as about as evil as it comes only goes to show that neither of the two groups are technically right or wrong and you should really go through life doing what feels true and good to you. In the end you're the one that lives with yourself after all. Hope this clears some things up. Enjoy your day folks.

  • How about the idea that the physical universe is the Creator(s) learning from all possible experiences through us? As though we are all 5-sense having, super high def Sims being played simultaneously by the Creator(s). Perhaps we need to have a full spectrum of experiences only possible through multiple lives In order to learn all things through experience?

  • I know we should not reffer the bibble BUT, when mankind comitted moral evil (sin) god says that because he is all-good he doesn´t WANT to be in direct contact with that same sinners (because it is bad to be amogside evil, and God is only good). Now that God isn´t with mankind, his power no longer stops the natural evil (maybe caused y an evil genius).

  • You don't have enough knowledge to teach about theism. You're missing information. Listen to some apologist and revisit this.

  • This world is evil it is part of a lower plane ruled by a lesser being that is half man half woman that is not necessarily good, and is the creator of this existence. There is also good in this world and that is the magical spark of love and kindness in all of us. It's the struggle between good and evil. Left and right. Hot n cold baby.

  • Let me tell you how to fix these problem right ? Just put everything on one guy, and then we can make a joke on him everytime we want ..

  • This is binary thinking. Dual-mindedness. The collective consciousness would not be DUAL minded. Dividing things into right/wrong good/bad is how the modern human mind works. This is the problem. One of the best metaphors in Genesis is that "God" told early man NOT to get into concepts of "good" & "evil". Do anything else, but not that! (Do not partake of the "fruit" of that "tree", i.e., don't profess to know right from wrong. You don't have to choose right from wrong to know suffering, for instance, to answer a crying baby, or pull your hand out of the fire. Dual-mindedness is dysfunctional thought. Combine this with a vastly over-developed capacity for symbolic thought, and you have the modern human-monkey…and instead of adapting himself to his environment like all the intelligent creatures, he instead struggles forever in a mad, futile attempt to modify the environment to himself.

  • Maybe the reason there is prevalent evil in the world and life sux is because earth is the neutral zone, humans are capable of both good and evil and might surprise you and earth is closer to hell than heaven which is why it has aspects of hell. Boom, the problem of evil.

  • It is strange that the idea of Evil comes from the Egyptian Mythology of the father of gods Nun; the unconscious state of nothingness. Which is not good or evil it just is.
    Then out of Nun came Apep the Cosmic Serpent of the stirring of the mind before a awoken state of Consciousness. The Serpent struggles to return to Nun, yet is starting to become aware of itself, which produces a god Atum from his own Apep body.
    Atum awoken doesn’t know anything and ask Who am I? What am I? Where did I come from? The same questions man ask the self.
    To scared to return to the sleep state of unconsciousness Atum wrestles with Apep the Serpent Shadow side of himself Atum, who doesn’t want to be woken up.
    Atum starts to create things to be a reflection of itself to better understand itself; and out of this war within himself the shadow self Apep he then calls Apep Evil; the chaos of the stirring of the deep sleep of unconsciousness of Nun.
    Atum being afraid it may realize it is a illusion and not really real starts to form hallucinations you call the material plain to prove he is real and does exist. So everything being created is called Good and anything that wants to free all of us from this madnesss is called Evil.
    Yet Apep is right to do away with this illusion of self and wants only to free us from this madness Atum his enlightened self has created.
    So the term Evil is Kemet Egyptian Mythology is really good
    Yet Atum afraid it might be really nothing needs you to believe it is evil so it’s own ego can remain – so everything created is really Atum manifesting himself to prove he exist to overcome Apep’s serpent truth that you really don’t exist. Nun is having a dream and we are all it.

    So to mask this Apep’s serpent truth, Atum creates the Thoth the architect of reality, the all knowing and married Maat the embodiment of Truth, and all that is good; yet look closer this is a falsehood matrix to fool everyone that they exist when in reality they don’t.

    All that exist is Nun which is nothing
    This is the same belief in Judaism that all exist is HaShem and we are but an illusion.
    Nun and HaShem could be the same deity.

    Science now states we are in a matrix of hallucinations and delusions and illusions and that we are not really real and the construct around us is nothing more than a fabrication to try to stay something when in reality we are nothing.

    We the other gods and goddess are created Atum is masking the truth with layers and layers of Blinders so you will never see this truth of Apep the Serpent.
    He created the Nut and Geb the Sky and Material
    He creates their 4 children the elements
    Osiris the earthly Flora
    Isis the Waters
    Nephrhys the Air
    Set the fire

    Then he creates humans from his tears and then creates Baset and Sekmet problems and Hathor love and joy to confuse the mind even more.
    The deeper you go into this matrix the harder it is to come out of it.

    Atum needs you to see your reality so you will never see the red pill reality that you and Atum don’t exist.

    So evil is really Truth in this Egyptian Mythology

    How many people refuse to come to the light or truth because they prefer the lie better?

    Don’t be afraid of the Black Hole Sun which wants to take you back to your true self the Nothingness you have become.

    This dream like state of nothingness is the same within your mind. You go to sleep and nothing is happening. You are not aware you are not aware. Then your mind goes into dream state and starts to create a world that really doesn’t exist; yet you feel it; see it; hear it; smell it; taste it; you are sure the dream is reality and you even feel the pain and joy within your self created world; yet is this world in your mind really happening? Is it not a mere dream?
    Now look at this world, can you be sure this reality is not a dream as well? I tell you, Nun god is dreaming and from this Atum is inventing reality matrix within its mind.
    Apep the Serpent is right – the Serpent isn’t evil and the darkness is not either. It is who you always been so embrace it.

  • so: either god doesn't exist or he does and i hate him soo there is no scenario where i should worship him

  • C3PO was created by Anakin Skywalker, his over fearfulness stems from Anakin's fear which later turns into evil through the form of the dark side. He's basically a reflection of his creator minus the freedom to become whatever he wills of himself because of being programmed as a protocol droid. So he can't be evil unless young (then innocent) Anakin programmed him to be so, but as you can see through the history of Star Wars it hasn't happened.

  • isnt evil a matter of perspective? the tectonic plates shifting and causing earthquakes isnt evil, it is just a natural reaction and the "evil" is the resulting deaths that people attach to the event. or am i missing something?

  • Also, what about the eye of the beholder thing. What one person can see as being evil, may not be evil to another… Is Evil just a matter of societally driven opinion? Is there a "this is definitely Evil" or "that is definitely Good" and has there ever been?

  • I have a huge problem with the word “evil”. It implies a totality that I find very difficult to accept. I don’t believe there can be anything that is truely evil, just as there is nothing that is entirely good. Good and evil are human constructs, modes of perception.
    Whilst I agree that we as humans have a built in moral compass that allows us to agree on some things that are good, we are always functioning from a position of bias.
    The “evil” mentioned in this video isn’t completely and totally bad at all. Earthquakes,tsunamis & hurricanes are natural and not governed by human morals. People who do horrible things are acting from a point of misinformation, lack of understanding, desperation or mental illness.
    We like to sort things into good and evil because it makes us feel better about the world in which we live but the world doesn’t exist for our benefit. It is not governed by our human perception or interpretation.

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